Politisite Political Projections: Pennsylvania is key

Politisite Political Projections : Pennsylvania

Web Posted on April 21, 2008

By Albert N. Milliron, Chief Political Correspondent,

Iron Mill Interactive Media, Inc / Politisite.com

Politisite uses a Trending / Momentum Model in determining possible outcomes of elections.

Trends: One or two data points doesn’t make a trend. The trend is your Friend and should always be used in analysis of possible outcomes. Had pollsters considered trending in New Hampshire, they probably would have had the numbers correctly. The problem is that they use data that is a day or two old and they give percentages based on the numbers. Trend lines are not used. Real Clear Politics has trend lines below the polls so one can see how the candidates are moving. You can also use these graphs to gauge where a candidate will be on election day. When I invest in the stock market trend lines are part of what I use. I like momentum. It is very difficult to stop a rolling train. When things are in motion, they will continue to stay in motion unless there is proper resistance. This can be immediate resistance which takes more power (a Major News Story) or gradient resistance which causes things to stop, like a rolling ball.

The Polls Trends  from Pennsylvannia


Figure 1. Quinnipiac University Pennsylvania Polling / Graphs by Politisite.com by politisite

Figure 1. Quinnipiac University Pennsylvania Polling / Graphs by Politisite.com

Figure 2. Rasmussen Pennsylvania Polling / Graphs by Politisite.com by politisite 

03/12 – 03/12 697 LV 51 38 Clinton +13.0
02/26 – 02/26 820 LV 46 42 Clinton +4.0
03/05 – 03/05 690 LV 52 37 Clinton +15.0
04/20 – 04/20 722 LV 49 44 Clinton +5.0
04/17 – 04/17 730 LV 47 44 Clinton +3.0
04/14 – 04/14 741 LV 50 41 Clinton +9.0
03/31 – 03/31 730 LV 47 42 Clinton +5.0
03/24 – 03/24 690 LV 49 39 Clinton +10.0
04/07 – 04/07 695 LV 48 43 Clinton +5.0


Figure 2. Rasmussen Pennsylvania Polling / Graphs by Politisite.com

Figure 3. Stategic Vision Pennsylvania Polling / Graphs by Politisite.com by politisite


03/07 – 03/09 600 LV 56 38 Clinton +18.0
07/06 – 07/08 LV 36 25 Clinton +11.0
03/28 – 03/31 504 LV 49 41 Clinton +8.0
09/28 – 09/30 LV 42 24 Clinton +18.0
03/16 – 03/18 LV 35 25 Clinton +10.0
04/13 – 04/15 LV 33 23 Clinton +10.0
04/18 – 04/20 LV 48 41 Clinton +7.0
04/11 – 04/13 576 LV 49 40 Clinton +9.0
04/04 – 04/06 LV 47 42 Clinton +5.0


 Figure 3. Stategic Vision Pennsylvania Polling / Graphs by Politisite.com


04/18 – 04/20 710 LV 50 44 Clinton +6.0
03/29 – 03/31 588 LV 53 41 Clinton +12.0
04/05 – 04/07 597 LV 56 38 Clinton +18.0
03/08 – 03/10 608 LV 55 36 Clinton +19.0
04/12 – 04/14 638 LV 54 40 Clinton +14.0


Figure 4. SurvetUSA Pennsylvania Polling


04/09 – 04/10 1,002 LV 47 43 Clinton +4.0
04/19 – 04/20 602 LV 48 42 Clinton +6.0
04/17 – 04/18 608 LV 47 42 Clinton +5.0
04/16 – 04/17 602 LV 47 43 Clinton +4.0
04/18 – 04/19 607 LV 46 43 Clinton +3.0
04/15 – 04/16 601 LV 45 44 Clinton +1.0

                                       Figure 5. Zogby Pennsylvania Polling 



Polls track Senator Clinton Lower than she produces in final results.  Senator Obama tracks higher than he produces in final results.  Real Clear Politics has Hillary Clinton winning by 5.7% .  Obama has produced some real negitives during this campaign cycle.  Politisite projects Senator Clinton to win by 8-12 percentage points.  Hilliary Clinton will not drop out of the race and will win by 54%-46% on the high side which is most probable 56%- 44%

What others are saying

Pennsylvania Primary Prediction Time!

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If you are neither a past winner nor the kind of person who pays for t-shirts — even those as devastatingly cool as this one — then this post is for you.

We’re looking for the candidates’ order of finish and percentage of the vote from today’s Pennsylvania Democratic primary election between  Barack Obama and  Hillary Rodham Clinton. And, we also want a prediction on the dominant storyline coming out of the contest.

We’ll award a Fix t-shirt to the person (or persons) who comes closest to predicting the final outcome and to the individual who most accurately describes the post-Pennsylvania media narrative.

For your pick to count, you MUST register it in the comments section by 8 p.m., when polls officially close in Pennsylvania. Picks e-mailed to The Fix will not be eligible.

Obama – 45%
Clinton – 54%
Other – 1%

“Senator Clinton Wins, Feels Need to Torture Us Further”

Posted by: Kev | April 22, 2008 11:49 AM

Clinton 58
Obama 42

Clinton blows out Obama, but still quite far behind in the delegate count.

Posted by: Brian Adams | April 22, 2008 11:50 AM

Obama – 51%
HRC – 49%

Pressure For HRC to End Run.
Obama Over The Top w/ Superdelegates!

Let us pray…

Posted by: steve nc | April 22, 2008 11:50 AM

yes steve..Let us pray…god certainly is on Obama’s side..

Posted by: | April 22, 2008 11:53 AM

Clinton – 55
Obama – 44

Storyline: Big Victory for Clinton, but it probably won’t be enough. Campaign moves onto last stand in Indiana.

Posted by: Kristin | April 22, 2008 11:55 AM


Clintn 49.7%
Obama 49.2%

Clinton edges out Obama, but the race is written up as an essential draw. Pundits argue that Clinton’s window of opportunity is closed, and the calls for her to drop out begin.

Posted by: faberman.jason | April 22, 2008 11:59 AM

Politisite Political Projections

Polls track Senator Clinton Lower than she produces in final results. Senator Obama tracks higher than he produces in final results. Real Clear Politics has Hillary Clinton winning by 5.7% . Obama has produced some real negitives during this campaign cycle. Politisite projects Senator Clinton to win by 8-12 percentage points. Hilliary Clinton wins by 54-56% to Obama’s 42-44%

Posted by: Albert N. Milliron | April 22, 2008 12:01 PM

April 21, 2008

Final Update: Pennsylvania by Race, Education & Gender

On the eve of the Pennsylvania primary, here is one last update on the results by race, education and gender and measured by the Quinnipiac University surveys (and kindly shared with us courtesy of Quinnipiac polling director Doug Schwartz).

I have followed these results over the last several weeks for the same reason that ABC News polling director Gary Langer lists education at the top of his column today on “groups to watch” in Pennsylvania:

It’s hard see a single factor more compelling than socioeconomic status, particularly as defined by education. It’s split the Democratic electorate nearly all year, and as with her past victories, it’s what Hillary Clinton will be counting on tomorrow.

Years of education also split the Democratic electorate in past elections, such as 2000, 1992 and 1984, and survey researchers have known for decades that it has been one of the strongest predictors of racial tolerance. Yet amazingly, as per my post earlier today, at least seven of the Pennsylvania pollsters have released surveys that fail to ask or report any measure of income or education. Consider that omission when thinking about which polls to trust.

But I digress. Back to Langer’s point about education:

Across primaries to date Obama’s won college graduates by 52-43 percent, while Clinton’s won less-educated voters by a very similar 52-42. The picture sharpens among whites only (there’s no difference by education among blacks): White college graduates have split 47-47 percent, while those with no college degree have gone 2-1 for Clinton, 60-31 percent.

The proportion of college-to-non-college voters isn’t always critical – Obama cruised among both groups in Wisconsin – but it’s mattered more often than not. Last month, in economically stressed Ohio, less-educated voters were in great supply (just 38 percent of white voters were college graduates, compared with an average of 52 percent across all primaries to date) and that helped Clinton immeasurably: She won less-educated whites by 71-27 percent, while her edge among white college graduates was just 52-45 percent.

The numbers that Langer cites above are from exit polls. In Ohio, the final Quinnipiac poll before the primary showed Clinton leading by a six-point margin (50% to 44%) among college educated whites and by more than 30 points (63% to 31%0 among non-college educated whites. Compare that to the numbers below, which include results from the latest Quinnipiac Pennsylvania survey released this morning.

Democratic Presidential Primary

Obama: Obama made a serious misstep with his remark that small-town voters in Pennsylvania “cling” to guns, protectionism, bigotry, and religion “as a way to explain their frustrations.”

  1. The comment damages Obama because it so perfectly fits the Obama stereotype. Obama is a Harvard-educated liberal with a mostly wealthy liberal base. The candidate of Jackson Hole, Boulder, Fairfax, and Connecticut, he has struggled to connect with working-class voters. The venue– a fundraiser in San Francisco–is icing on the cake.
  2. Clinton’s attack on this line has been fair on the point that this perpetuates the perception of Democrats as anti-gun, anti-religion, wealthy elites. The loss of the God and guns vote explains the GOP takeover of the South in the past decade.
  3. His inclusion of immigration and trade in the comments are also telling. Elites in both parties have long favored open borders and free trade (globalization), while popular sentiment tends to favor immigration and trade restrictions (protectionism). Obama and Clinton have both been trying to walk fine lines on these issues, and Obama’s comments stir the pot.
  4. Obama’s comments, while reflecting condescension and poor political sense, also reflect some truth. NAFTA and Mexican immigrants are the culprits of first resort for laid-off Midwest workers, who also tend to be negative about the economy. Tying their gun-ownership and faith to this “bitterness” and “frustration” is simply ignorant and offensive.
  5. Hillary’s aggressive exploitation of this comment contrasts her passive response to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright videos, letting Republicans and the news media do the attacking for her. The Wright flap damaged Obama, but he seemed to recover, as far as the race for President is concerned. This time, she is attacking, airing television ads in Pennsylvania about the comments.
  6. The more acute question is whether this could help swing the nomination to Clinton. It could. The comments hurt Obama in Pennsylvania, and could pad Clinton’s margin of victory there.
  7. The incident, by contrast, brings to light how skilled a politician Obama is. To get to this point–the brink of the nomination–he has had to walk a very fine line. Obama has appealed to hard-core liberals without sounding the bitter tones of the anti-war, anti-Bush protestors, and (until now) not showing disdain for middle-Americans.


Clinton: Clinton is still the underdog, but she shows no signs of giving up. As long as she has a small chance of winning the nomination, she will keep fighting.

  1. Her strongest chance is to win the nation-wide popular vote–a difficult feat that requires a big victory in Pennsylvania next week. If she gets more votes nationwide than Obama, she has as strong an argument to super-delegates as Obama does.
  2. On the score of persuading super-delegates, Clinton has some serious advantages over Obama. First, being a former first-lady and professional dealer in patronage, she will be stronger at offering sweet deals and making believable threats. Second, the Wright and “bitter” flaps have strengthened her case that Obama is less electable than she.
  3. Her “firing” of strategist Mark Penn was no such thing, it appears. The campaign has spread word that pollster Geoff Garin, renowned among Democrats as an ethical operator, is now the chief strategist. Garin’s role may certainly be overemphasized as a mask for Penn’s continued involvement, which the campaign wants to downplay after his active involvement in the Colombia Free Trade Agreement was revealed.
  4. Central to this situation is the huge debts her campaign owes Penn’s polling firm. One close source posits she owes the firm $10 million. If the debt is not repaid, is this an illegal campaign contribution? Because the firm is ultimately owned by a British company, is this an illegal foreign contribution? March campaign reports show that she owes nearly 2.5 million to Penn’s company.
  5. In the Gallup tracking poll, Clinton hit her all-time low Tuesday, posting 40% support to Obama’s 51%. This is a national poll, and so it has little direct bearing on the nomination battle, but it makes a Clinton comeback looks still not difficult.
  6. The talk of an Obama comeback in Pennsylvania is premature. The only poll showing the race close (Bloomberg/LA Times) is of registered voters. The likely voter polls show 9-to-14 point leads for Hillary.
  7. It’s a similar story in Indiana: Clinton leads by double digits in a poll of 571 likely voters, while Obama leads in the Bloomberg/LA Times of registered voters. Clinton is still the heavy favorite in both of these states

Source Evans-Novak


Pennsylvania Pollster Comparison Update

Judge for yourself.

Cross posted at PoliticalArithmetik.com. See also previous pollster comparison post for Pennsylvania.

— Charles Franklin

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Day Before Pennsylvania Sensitivity Update

The Pennsylvania race has turned slightly toward Clinton over the weekend, with her lead now at an even 6 points in our standard trend estimate. If you believe in taking more chances with random noise, the sensitive estimator has a 6.4 point Clinton lead.

In the rush of new polling over the weekend, it is also good to check how much any of them may be affecting our estimates.

Dropping any single pollster makes only a bit of different to our estimates. The Clinton trend ranges from 48.5% to 49.6%, while Obama ranges from 42.6% to 43.5%. So dropping your least favorite pollster can, at most, account for the difference in a 5 point race and a 7 point one.

And note that we still have about 9 percent undecided. I wonder what they will do?

— Charles Franklin

POLL: Rasmussen Pennsylvania Dems 4/20

Rasmussen Reports

n=722 likely Democratic primary voters, fielded 4/20
Clinton 49%, Obama 44%

— Mark Blumenthal

POLL: SurveyUSA Pennsylvania Dems

SurveyUSA – WCAU-TV Philadelphia, KDKA-TV Pittsburgh, WHP-TV Harrisburg, and WNEP-TV Scranton.

Pennsylvania 4/18 through 4/20, n=1,800 adults, n=710 likely Democratic primary voters
Clinton 50, Obama 44


p class=”np-quote-link”>Source: pollster.com via politisite

 Now What do you think?  Is politisite wrong, right?  What do you think the numbers will be.  What will hillary do?  Obama?  see you tonight for the Politisite Exit Polls, Real Time Election Results, Breaking News, and Commentary from Pennsylvania


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